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	<title>Comments on: Cincinnati installs new bicycle racks inside Fountain Square Garage</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since y&#039;all mentioned Kansas City&#039;s bike parking requirements, I&#039;ll chime in here.  These racks in a parking garage are an essential part of an overall bike parking plan.  The requirements we adopted here in KC are two pronged. 

1) &quot;Short term&quot; parking for visitors and patrons of visitors - generally the inverted-U and other racks common on the sidewalk and near business entrances.  Short term spaces are meant for people parking their bikes long enough to use a library, eat at a restaurant, get a haircut, visit a coffee shop, etc.

2) &quot;Long term&quot; parking employees of a business or tenants of an apartment/condo/loft building.  These are covered and secure parking spots in a garage, basement, bike room, or outside in a bike locker or under a canopy. Long term parking is meant for employees to park their bikes while they are at work all day or for residents of multi-tenant housing to park overnight.

Both are essential, and it sounds like you are on your way in Cincinnati!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since y&#8217;all mentioned Kansas City&#8217;s bike parking requirements, I&#8217;ll chime in here.  These racks in a parking garage are an essential part of an overall bike parking plan.  The requirements we adopted here in KC are two pronged. </p>
<p>1) &#8220;Short term&#8221; parking for visitors and patrons of visitors &#8211; generally the inverted-U and other racks common on the sidewalk and near business entrances.  Short term spaces are meant for people parking their bikes long enough to use a library, eat at a restaurant, get a haircut, visit a coffee shop, etc.</p>
<p>2) &#8220;Long term&#8221; parking employees of a business or tenants of an apartment/condo/loft building.  These are covered and secure parking spots in a garage, basement, bike room, or outside in a bike locker or under a canopy. Long term parking is meant for employees to park their bikes while they are at work all day or for residents of multi-tenant housing to park overnight.</p>
<p>Both are essential, and it sounds like you are on your way in Cincinnati!</p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why people are complaining about these being underground.  Who cares? If you want to go to Fountain Square, lock it up underground and come up for a bite.  How much is this going to take away from your life?  Will it completely ruin your day that you took the time to cycle down there but have to walk a little bit? Secondly, this is only the beginning of the bicycle movement.  I&#039;m sure there will be racks everywhere within the next few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why people are complaining about these being underground.  Who cares? If you want to go to Fountain Square, lock it up underground and come up for a bite.  How much is this going to take away from your life?  Will it completely ruin your day that you took the time to cycle down there but have to walk a little bit? Secondly, this is only the beginning of the bicycle movement.  I&#8217;m sure there will be racks everywhere within the next few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy A. Simes</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-975</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A. Simes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that more/better signage would be ideal, but it just doesn&#039;t seem to be realistic at this point.  Two years ago I identified some grant programs that would fund the capital costs of install comprehensive wayfinding signage throughout Cincinnati&#039;s center city, but I was informed by the City that there were no funds to maintain those once installed.

The maintenance costs could potentially come from DCI on an annual basis, but it doesn&#039;t really fit in with their core responsibilities as laid out by their constituents, so I doubt that will happen any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that more/better signage would be ideal, but it just doesn&#8217;t seem to be realistic at this point.  Two years ago I identified some grant programs that would fund the capital costs of install comprehensive wayfinding signage throughout Cincinnati&#8217;s center city, but I was informed by the City that there were no funds to maintain those once installed.</p>
<p>The maintenance costs could potentially come from DCI on an annual basis, but it doesn&#8217;t really fit in with their core responsibilities as laid out by their constituents, so I doubt that will happen any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Cahal</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman Cahal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Quimbob: The bike racks aren&#039;t hard to operate. I took a ride down there today during lunch and it&#039;s pretty simple to use.

@Randy: I&#039;m aware of their regulations. I was told by the Ambassador not to walk my bike, much less ride it, because the rubber damages the granite, unlike horse hoofs apparently. I knew better and took him up on it and ignored him, plus it is pretty obvious what the signage says.

That said, the disconnect and the lack of signage as I pointed out and you reinforced is something that should be corrected. I think this is something that can grow and become better, like the scooter parking issue.

There still needs to be above-ground parking for bikes, via simple racks, which I suggested to 3CDC long ago. This is a start and I&#039;m happy for it, so I hope that the word gets out about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Quimbob: The bike racks aren&#8217;t hard to operate. I took a ride down there today during lunch and it&#8217;s pretty simple to use.</p>
<p>@Randy: I&#8217;m aware of their regulations. I was told by the Ambassador not to walk my bike, much less ride it, because the rubber damages the granite, unlike horse hoofs apparently. I knew better and took him up on it and ignored him, plus it is pretty obvious what the signage says.</p>
<p>That said, the disconnect and the lack of signage as I pointed out and you reinforced is something that should be corrected. I think this is something that can grow and become better, like the scooter parking issue.</p>
<p>There still needs to be above-ground parking for bikes, via simple racks, which I suggested to 3CDC long ago. This is a start and I&#8217;m happy for it, so I hope that the word gets out about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy A. Simes</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A. Simes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quimbob:

1) Yes, they are free for anyone to use.

2) You hook your bicycle to the top of bracket where there is a spot to hang your bicycle&#039;s front tire.  The brackets seen in the image above then provide an option for you to lock your bicycle to a solid steel locking loop with any locking device of your preference.

I have another photo that better illustrates the hook where you hang your bicycle if that would be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quimbob:</p>
<p>1) Yes, they are free for anyone to use.</p>
<p>2) You hook your bicycle to the top of bracket where there is a spot to hang your bicycle&#8217;s front tire.  The brackets seen in the image above then provide an option for you to lock your bicycle to a solid steel locking loop with any locking device of your preference.</p>
<p>I have another photo that better illustrates the hook where you hang your bicycle if that would be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Quimbob</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>Quimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of office workers would just take their bikes into their offices. That&#039;s what I have always done.
Cyclists are creatures of habit just like anybody else. They are used to locking up wherever. With these racks being &quot;hidden&quot; some signage or promotion will be needed.
In areas like Northside passengers exiting their cars curbside can run into bikes locked to utility poles.
Couple questions
Are they free?
What do you hook the bike onto with these racks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of office workers would just take their bikes into their offices. That&#8217;s what I have always done.<br />
Cyclists are creatures of habit just like anybody else. They are used to locking up wherever. With these racks being &#8220;hidden&#8221; some signage or promotion will be needed.<br />
In areas like Northside passengers exiting their cars curbside can run into bikes locked to utility poles.<br />
Couple questions<br />
Are they free?<br />
What do you hook the bike onto with these racks?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy A. Simes</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A. Simes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, you can read the rules/regulations of Fountain Square here:
http://myfountainsquare.com/rules

In that is specifically states that &quot;bicycle riding, rollerblading, or skateboarding&quot; are prohibited.  So it is the action of riding a bicycle that is prohibited, not the mere presence of one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, you can read the rules/regulations of Fountain Square here:<br />
<a href="http://myfountainsquare.com/rules" rel="nofollow">http://myfountainsquare.com/rules</a></p>
<p>In that is specifically states that &#8220;bicycle riding, rollerblading, or skateboarding&#8221; are prohibited.  So it is the action of riding a bicycle that is prohibited, not the mere presence of one.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy A. Simes</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A. Simes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple things.  Bicycles are not banned from Fountain Square.  It is prohibited to ride your bicycle across Fountain Square.  So you ride up to the ADA ramp along Vine, walk your bike 50 feet to the elevator and take it down to the first level where the rack is located.  Or, you ride down the automobile ramp on Vine Street and ride directly to the rack located before the gates.  Given that negotiations took place between the City and 3CDC to install this rack, I feel fairly certain that parking garage attendants will not be shaking you down for riding your bicycle to the bicycle parking location.  Clearly bicycles are no longer banned as they might previously had been since they now have a freaking bicycle parking option inside the garage.

As for creating a more visible, covered shelter...great.  The problem is that it requires an much greater upfront capital cost and long-term maintenance costs that can probably not be funded at this point.  Along those lines, wayfinding signage downtown and across the city has difficulty being built and maintained for this exact reason.  There isn&#039;t a dedicated stream of money to maintain the items, and the capital costs usually have to be covered by state and/or federal grants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple things.  Bicycles are not banned from Fountain Square.  It is prohibited to ride your bicycle across Fountain Square.  So you ride up to the ADA ramp along Vine, walk your bike 50 feet to the elevator and take it down to the first level where the rack is located.  Or, you ride down the automobile ramp on Vine Street and ride directly to the rack located before the gates.  Given that negotiations took place between the City and 3CDC to install this rack, I feel fairly certain that parking garage attendants will not be shaking you down for riding your bicycle to the bicycle parking location.  Clearly bicycles are no longer banned as they might previously had been since they now have a freaking bicycle parking option inside the garage.</p>
<p>As for creating a more visible, covered shelter&#8230;great.  The problem is that it requires an much greater upfront capital cost and long-term maintenance costs that can probably not be funded at this point.  Along those lines, wayfinding signage downtown and across the city has difficulty being built and maintained for this exact reason.  There isn&#8217;t a dedicated stream of money to maintain the items, and the capital costs usually have to be covered by state and/or federal grants.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherman Cahal</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherman Cahal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many corporate office towers already have showers, but many are restricted and cannot be used by cyclists (e.g. Great American, PNC, National City, Fifth Third). And many of the smaller offices have no such facilities at all. Such a rack, designed apparently for business users, will have a limited impact unless wider changes are adopted. The showers and lockers planned for the riverfront park is a big step, but it is too far removed from downtown unless you work along 4th and 3rd, but that could change if the streetcar is built.

For cyclists to bike to work, it needs to be convenient for them to both lock and secure their bike, and to get a shower or at least have a facility to change clothes. Dayton has this on their riverfront, although it is immediately adjacent to their downtown. Ideally, downtown would need more than what the riverfront will contain, and this facility would be great if it could be expanded into something more.

The main issue I have with this is that it is not easily accessible and it is not visible. Cygnus is correct in that the ramps are not bicycle friendly -- and the signage outright prohibits any such movements except if you are in an auto. There is no outward signage anywhere else, and the signage at Fountain Square prohibits bicycles -- yet you must cross Fountain Square to access the elevator to head down. But it&#039;s not signed there yet, either.

A great start, but this would have been better located in a more visible location. It need not necessarily be buried in a parking garage, and can be located in a covered shelter on the street even (e.g. what Columbus has).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many corporate office towers already have showers, but many are restricted and cannot be used by cyclists (e.g. Great American, PNC, National City, Fifth Third). And many of the smaller offices have no such facilities at all. Such a rack, designed apparently for business users, will have a limited impact unless wider changes are adopted. The showers and lockers planned for the riverfront park is a big step, but it is too far removed from downtown unless you work along 4th and 3rd, but that could change if the streetcar is built.</p>
<p>For cyclists to bike to work, it needs to be convenient for them to both lock and secure their bike, and to get a shower or at least have a facility to change clothes. Dayton has this on their riverfront, although it is immediately adjacent to their downtown. Ideally, downtown would need more than what the riverfront will contain, and this facility would be great if it could be expanded into something more.</p>
<p>The main issue I have with this is that it is not easily accessible and it is not visible. Cygnus is correct in that the ramps are not bicycle friendly &#8212; and the signage outright prohibits any such movements except if you are in an auto. There is no outward signage anywhere else, and the signage at Fountain Square prohibits bicycles &#8212; yet you must cross Fountain Square to access the elevator to head down. But it&#8217;s not signed there yet, either.</p>
<p>A great start, but this would have been better located in a more visible location. It need not necessarily be buried in a parking garage, and can be located in a covered shelter on the street even (e.g. what Columbus has).</p>
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		<title>By: Randy A. Simes</title>
		<link>http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/06/cincinnati-installs-new-bicycle-racks-inside-fountain-square-garage/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy A. Simes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The elevators at Fountain Square would easily hold a bicycle, but the stairs are quite narrow.  With that said, I don&#039;t think a bicyclist would run into any issues if they enter the garage at the Vine Street entrance and pull right up to the rack.  The rack is placed prior to the gates, so there shouldn&#039;t be any logistical issue there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elevators at Fountain Square would easily hold a bicycle, but the stairs are quite narrow.  With that said, I don&#8217;t think a bicyclist would run into any issues if they enter the garage at the Vine Street entrance and pull right up to the rack.  The rack is placed prior to the gates, so there shouldn&#8217;t be any logistical issue there.</p>
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